Comments on: The Atonement and Intercession of Christ: An Argument for Limited Atonement http://calvinandcalvinism.com/?p=2161 An Elenchus for Classic-Moderate Calvinism Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.8 By: Ross http://calvinandcalvinism.com/?p=2161&cpage=1#comment-5549 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:32:52 +0000 http://calvinandcalvinism.com/?p=2161#comment-5549 Owens death of death refuted
It is amazing how it is that little things that sink very big ships. The argument of limited or not limited atonement is based upon one fact that a first year student can defeat. The scriptural idea of atonement is about either 1. Payment for Sin 2. Covering for death, and depending on your answer will be your opinion. Gentiles know little of this process, and it is a shame your reformers were so anti-Semitic however 2 is the correct scriptural answer. But whose death is covered and how are they covered… Israel had two systems one national one personal the national was for all Israel without distinction, day of Yom Kippur one personal sin offer guilt offering and so forth. Neither of these is a payment for sins or evil deeds committed. This idea is born of Babylon the appeasement to the gods for evil deeds to turn away gods wrath this is utter and complete tripe… The simple Passover explains “if you were in the house believer of non you are covered” The angel of death did not seek out believers and none believers sins t he passed over the entire house irrespective of who was in it. He did not Passover because sins were paid for he passed over as Kiphar the covering to cover from death. This sets the foundation for the Yom Kippur the national day irrespective of who was in the camp Jew Gentile believers and or not the nation was covered from death. The lamb of Jehovah Elohim takes away the amartia (sin) of the Cosmos… The cosmos cannot sin it is an inanimate of object but death rein in it the atonement covers not only our sins (the curse) and its effect of Isreal but the whole cosmos. The word sin is an idiotic translation of “amart” and “amara” these are the root noun for amartia, amartias, amartema and amartano. The root noun “amart” is of the thematic aorist tense always cognate of the past origin irrespective if it used as the noun or verb for personal “sins” It is also a free noun and the context dictates its use it refers always to the curse that entered brings death. The wages (dumb translation of opsinia) of amartias (sin) is death. All incur death without ever committing a single sin. Death is passively allotted by birth, and death passed upon all men and death by amartias (sin i.e. the curse) All creation dies the wages of sin i.e. the default allotment of the curse passively on all men is death. Unfortunately Gentile babblers of Babylon have not seen the nuances in the either Hebrew and Koine Greek and speak of world as mankind. Atonement is about relationships national and personal the footing upon which mankind stands is death and death must be covered. These footing sets up the ground rules for administrational government in Israel it was national now it is global. The issue is not sin… it is death and death must be dealt with for Jehovah to have a relationship at any level. It is putrid to the Most High who is from everlasting to everlasting. Atonement is given as a covering for life bring divine protection as per the etymology for Kiphar. This covering of death must proceed and relationship due to the nature of the Most high. The gentile nations are covered due to the atonement of the Messiah and his anointing in resurrection without this covering all die no relationship possible.

The kopereth the lid of the ark specifically point to this covering nationally in the system of Israel. This collapsed from top down, the mechanism during apostasy was personal offering as it was to cover and protect from everlasting death. The law revealed everlasting death the reason Jews had to bath after sex, wash after wet dreams, as semen begets death more dead people. The uncut penis is the natural way of man born with a foreskin under the skin semen flows begetting only death. The cutting is to revel the new skin the hope the new seed the promise made of resurrection into everlasting life. However the cut still need covering and protecting from everlasting death first at the personal level and at the national level.

Since the death and resurrection of the Messiah all moves up a notch all upon the footing of life, all in Adam die all in the Christ made alive. This literally occurs at the resurrection the dead are made alive some to damnation some to life but each in his own order. The atonement covers death and so covers all without distinction. Elohim enters into relationship through adoption through faith in this dispensation of grace and this he does of His own pleasure.

The idea of atonement is to cover something up in order that you might deal it on amore personal level. We might cover our eyes from a blinding light to deal with thing more closely as the light blind us. In like manner death blinds Jehovah, atonement cover it allowing of new relationship to build upon a new footing. If the gentiles had harkened to the apostle words not to be wise in their own conceits they would understand this process of atonement then Babylon folly of payment would be less effective.

We can say much more this subject as Israel was about this business 1500 years before there ever was a Baptist, Presbyterian of any church. Understand this atonement… is a cover a coverng for death and is state of desolation atonement is not a payment. Know this and the scripture will open up to you by His grace understand it not and perish.

RJ of TSOC

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